Talk to the Dot!

A friend of mine, Cameron, was having dreadful trouble with Dragon's recognition accuracy. Unfortunately, Cameron lives in Bangkok, a night's flight from Sydney, so I couldn't just go and see what the problem was. Sometimes Dragon's recognition worked well for Cameron, sometimes it didn't. He was frustrated because he had been hoping to use Dragon in a presentation to impress his audience.

We'd been through the usual checklist:

  1. Make sure the headset microphone is positioned at the corner of your mouth, about a thumb's width from your face. This will reduce the breathiness of your audio and make Dragon's task easier.
  2. Check that you get a good score in the Dragon Audio Setup. I like to have a score over 20. Cameron usually got a good score and we'd tried different headsets so we knew that there wasn't a problem with the microphone itself.
  3. Do at least the short enrollment when you set up your voice profile. This is where Dragon trains itself to your voice by having you read to it. Dragon allows you to  skip the training session and go straight to dictation once you've done a basic configuration. However, Cameron's English is unusually accented and I recommended that he did the basic training plus some additional training that's available in Dragon's Accuracy Centre.
  4. When Dragon makes a mistake, correct the error so that the software can learn how you speak.

All of this was to no avail. Dragon's performance was unpredictable and seemed to be under the influence of forces beyond mortal control.  We got working on conspiracy theories: The laptop is bad. The audio chip has an intermittent fault. It's the operating system. Dragon doesn't like me!

The answer turned out to be simple. I'd forgotten one item on the standard check list.

I asked my colleague Bob to see if he had any ideas and he had the problem quickly resolved by asking one question: Is the white dot pointing at your mouth? 

Noise-canceling microphones have at least two microphones in them. One faces your mouth. The other picks up sound from the opposite direction, the noise. The noise is subtracted from the signal coming from your mouth and your considerably clearer voices goes down the wire and is processed by Dragon. Most headsets have a white dot on the boom mike to indicate the side that should face. I'd forgotten to tell Cameron that and, as a result, the microphone ended up pointing at a random location.

Cameron made sure he had the microphone was pointing the right way and recognition of his speech was consistently after that. Cameron wowed his audience at his presentation.

So, when you're using Dragon, make sure you are talking to the dot!  (And, yes, names have been changed to protect the innocent!)

 


Posted 03-11-2009 3:39 AM by Derek Austin

Comments

wyl wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-11-2009 7:58 PM

I've been a huge fan of Dragon speak for years now I've owned multiple versions and I own the medical version and use it every day and I have for years. I was excited to see that the new Dragon speak 10 was out so I replaced my home version which is a version 8. Trying to install this thing was an enormous headache. It kept on asking for the serial number which I found it then it wanted some mysterious 'key' I scanned every single part of the instructions there was no 'key' mentioned I scanned multiple areas on the box and receipt I saw no 'key'. I finally located the support numbers and contacted technical support after being cut off twice I finally reached a person. He had no idea what the key was or how to assist me in installing this product. We spent 20 minutes trying different things until finally realizing that registering the product which I had already done and activating the product were two different things. After this product was activated it revealed the key which I used along with a serial number to finally install the product. I'm writing this feedback on the blog because I don't see anywhere else for customer feedback.

dragonstories2010 wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-11-2009 9:08 PM

Hi wyl -

Thanks for the feedback.  We realize that the installation, registration and activation process is too complicated in the current version of Dragon.  We are working on a streamlined process for future releases.

It is concerning that the technical support staff didn't understand how to help you, so I will make sure that the manager of that group provides some additional training to the staff.

Thanks again for the feedback!

Peter

Jeff wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-12-2009 10:41 AM

Dragon is great.

Tom Mahas wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-13-2009 11:20 AM

This might not be the right place to obtain the information I am seeking.  However, I have triedevery place else and perhaps some can help me.  The problem:  When I dicate the time I get the following 1:35PM.  Its correct but the cap 'PM' or 'AM' looks wrong to me and I would perfer 1:35pm (uncapted pm & am).  I made some changes and it worked some what.  I now get 1:35 pm with a space between the time and the 'pm'.  This may seem minor but I really want the 'pm' without a space from the time.  Can anyone help?  Please!

Tom

tmahas@hotmail.com

lady-in-waiting wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-13-2009 11:24 AM

I have no "dot" on my headset.  where do you get a dot at?  

djeffrey wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-13-2009 12:44 PM

I'm an experienced user of Dragon NaturallySpeaking, having started with one of the earliest versions. I'm currently running Dragon NaturallySpeaking 9 and have purchased a new copy of version 10. I'm concerned that I will lose my carefully edited and created profile when I install the new software. Will I be able to restore the existing version 9 user profile once version 10 is installed?

Do you have any tips for a smooth transition?

Carter Waid wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-13-2009 12:59 PM

I just found out about another way you can get bad speech recognition. My computer came with a speech recognition feature that interfered with Dragon. I turned off ctfmon in the Startup tab of msconfig and the problem was cured.

NJ wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-13-2009 1:20 PM

Learned something new! Never thought to look to see if there was a 'dot' or whether the headset's mike was actually 'facing' the correct way. Some of our users bring their own headset - sanitary reasons - and some of those headsets don't have a 'dot' but that's ok... investigation and trial and error should help... ;)

John Carrigg wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-13-2009 2:06 PM

Long time user of medical

Ken Chandler wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-13-2009 2:48 PM

The dot is usually on the mike boom just behind the windsock.( the part you speak into.)

 If yours does not have a dot it may not be a 'noise canceling' type of mike.

Cam Jacklin wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-13-2009 3:05 PM

I have used Dragon 9 to write books, and have dictated something approaching 2 million words.  I am therefore qualified to tell you what is THE most frustrating thing about Dragon.  When I highlight a word and repeat it, I do NOT want the same word being offered again.  I don't care WHAT is offered.  Just not the thing that I have indicated is WRONG.  And if it finally offers a word starting with a new consonant, does it REALLY have to continue this, on and on?  Can you guess how many swearwords I have deleted?

Dan from Nebraska wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-13-2009 3:15 PM

Longtime user of Dragon8 Medical and I love it.  But I just hired a new partner with a fairly strong Chinese accent who can't seem to get it to work.  Does anyone know of a satisfied Chinese user of the English version of Dragon Medical.  I'd be happy to upgrade if necessary.

Albert Lason wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-13-2009 3:36 PM

I have been involved with Dragon NaturallySpeaking (preferred) for about the last $1000 and a trend that I've seen is that we are charged an upgrade three for things that have usually been taken care of by service packs of other reputable software manufacturers.  Where Peter Mahoney answered a question as follows;

"We realize that the installation, registration and activation process is too complicated in the current version of Dragon.  We are working on a streamlined process for future releases."

Instead of waiting "your problem" to be corrected in the next release why could there not be a service pack issued in between releases for the products we have already paid for?  Why should the consumer be responsible for paying for your mistakes.  Other companies "do" follow these guidelines.

Albert

William Littlejohn wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-13-2009 8:54 PM

To whom it concern---if anyone is concerned:

I spent $150.00 for Dragon 10 a few weeks ago. My computrer was working well with 9.5 ---even with my difficult voice! I've bought most new versions of Dragon as they came out for years.  Before I could install Dragon 10 my dogs knocked my laptop in the floor ruining the hard drive. I had to buy one of the 64 bit machines.  After much difficulty  my 'puter told me Dragon 10 preferred won't run on a 64 bit  machine. There was nothing on the outside or in side the  box that warn of this incompatiblilty!!!!

I tried installing it one of my older machines that had an older copy of Dragon on it and I don't know what it did but it fouled my older machine so bad it is not usable.

I hate Windows Vista but I also hate being out money for software that doesnt work!!!  I finally got my crashed machine back and can only hope I can get Dragon 9.5 working on it again.  I'm having to live on SS now and can ill afford to buy Software that doesn't work. I think my money should refunded or replaced with compatible software. I have everything but the receipt (at least I've yet to find it.)

I have to file a Federal suit very soon and this problem is a significant handicap. I've been recommending Dragon to my friends for years but now I have to warn them not buy Dragon 10.  I can't believe Dragon would make this kind of error.

William D. Littlejohn, MD

124 Chuckwagon Trail

Willow park, Texas 76087

docdonlj@msn.com

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James Lindsay wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-13-2009 9:06 PM

Dragon Dictate 9 was so-so. Dragon 10 is great.

I run Dragon on a Mac using BootCamp. I figured the easiest way to get the dictated text on the Dragon Pad to the Mac side of the computer was to email it to myself. When I tried to do this the paragraph formatting was all wrong. It turns out that it's an Internet Explorer problem. With Firefox the transfer is accurate and easy.

I cannot get Dragon to remember my preferred capitalization of a three word phrase. Instead of "Sun Fire Cooking" I get "Sun Fire cooking" no matter how much training I do.

I see the problem with Dragon giving me "Mister Smith" instead of  "Mr Smith". are addressed in the new service pack. I have not installed the new service pack because I find the accompanying documentation daunting. Will I have to go through the complicated activation routine again? Is all the data in my user profile safe?

Jessica wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-13-2009 11:53 PM

I downloaded version 8 without a hitch. I have(Andrea) ANC Headphones but it is NOT hearing my voice. The box states "too low".

Any sugestions?

Thank you!

Hans Gutbrod wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-14-2009 2:40 AM

can I just say how much I appreciate that Peter Mahoney is beginning to reach out? In the past, Nuance was like a closed fortress.

I think we will see some negative comments here, as bottled-up frustration spills out. But I really hope Nuance keeps running with this, to build a genuine community that makes Dragon better, and into one of the coolest softwares on the planet.

Ralphie wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-14-2009 1:14 PM

Jessica, I would check out the sound control panel on your PC and see what the microphone setting is.  I use Sound Blaster and there is a setting to boost the Mic 20db also which has to be selected in order to get enough sound.

Ralphie wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-14-2009 1:19 PM

I use an Olympus DS-30 to take dictation and then have Dragon convert it to text.  This works great so long as I am in a quiet room.  However, when I am driving in my subcompact the background noise makes the conversion not work.  I tried the various noise filters on the recorder and in Dragon application with no improvement. Does anyone know if there is a noise cancellation microphone that will plug into my portable recorder?

Joseph Jasper wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-14-2009 8:13 PM

I too am having some problems with "the key."   I purchased Medical 9.5 as part of a electronic health record, Practice Partner by McKesson.   The license allowed one user, me, to install on all the machines at my office.  All was working well until an update from Nuance, DNS, installed.   When I went to use the program again, I was instructed to enter the infamous key.   I was also told I had exceeded the legal number of users.   Note that the program advertises itself as allowing a user to use a microphone and/or a recording.  I was using both.   Now my best computer is no longer able to use DNS.   I wrote to the company, got an incident number and have never heard back.

Nuance DNS must honor their advertised contract that the product can be installed on multiple machines for use by a single user; that user should be able to create profiles for hardwire mic, digital recording and bluetooth headset, and possibly more than one dictionary.   FOr the hefty price of DNS Medical I fell I have been unduly inconvenieced.  FUrther, it is a warning to all to avoid any DNS updates as it could corrupt your installation.

Derek Austin wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-16-2009 2:45 AM

Hi Joseph,

Re>  I too am having some problems with "the key" ... I wrote to the company, got an incident number and have never heard back.

I don't know your location but if you could post your incident ID, I'll ask someone in Support to give you a call. Or, if you'd prefer, please phone them, quote the incident number and complain in a loud voice.  Your problem should be easily fixable.

Best regards,

Derek

Derek Austin wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-16-2009 2:49 AM

Lady-in-waiting,

Re> I have no "dot" on my headset.  where do you get a dot at?  

The dot is normally at the end of the mike boom, near the round furry part. Some mikes are constructed so that it's clear which side is supposed to face the mouth. Your mike might be one of those?

Best regards,

Derek

Derek Austin wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-16-2009 2:57 AM

Hi djeffrey,

Re> Will I be able to restore the existing version 9 user profile once version 10 is installed?

When you install version 10, it should automatically convert your v9 profile to a v10 profile. However, it's always wise to back up your computer before installing any upgrade.

If you have the Preferred or Professional edition, it would be a good idea to backup/export the user profile and save a copy on your hard drive before you do the upgrade. See the Advanced options in Manage Users.

Best regards,

Derek

Derek Austin wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-16-2009 3:04 AM

Hi Cam,

Re>  When I highlight a word and repeat it, I do NOT want the same word being offered again.

Use the "correct" command to fix mistakes and Dragon should mend its ways.

Best regards,

Derek

Manon wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-16-2009 9:50 AM

I have a question regarding wireless headset that goes with Dragon... My is a GN9350 Netcom and it doesnt work often.  I would like to find a 'dual' wireless headset that works properly with Dragon and as a telephone as well.  Thanks.

Manon (Gatineau Quebec)

(I have dragon professional)

mmarkoe wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-16-2009 3:30 PM

Manon wrote:

> My is a GN9350 Netcom and it doesnt work often.  > I would like to find a 'dual' wireless headset that

> works properly with Dragon and as a telephone as

> well.

The problem is that the GN Netcom up wireless telephony headsets does not work with and the frequency range optimal to Dragon NaturallySpeaking. There is no wireless Computer/Telephone microphone with two earphones that will work optimally with Dragon. There is a two earphone wired Computer/Telephone unit called the VXI TalkPro Computer and Telephone Switch with Binaural Headset. See this at:

www.emicrophones.com/.../prod_details.asp

You can see some excellent single earphone wireless computer/telephone microphones at:

www.emicrophones.com/.../product_detail.asp

Marty Markoe, eMicrophones, Inc.

mmarkoe wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-16-2009 3:37 PM

Cam Jacklin wrote:

> When I highlight a word and repeat it, I do NOT

> want the same word being offered again.

To add to Derek's excellent advice to correct a word, we suggest you make corrections in the context of the words around it. In other words, select the word or words before the error and say, "Correct that." Then when you correct the error it is more like to appear correctly when used in the same context.

Another tip for frequently missed words is to correct the word, highlight the correct word and say, "Make that a shortcut." This makes it a macro and id highly likely to be recognized correctly the next time.

Marty Markoe, eMicrophones, Inc.

Joseph Jasper wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-16-2009 10:18 PM

Derek,

Thank you for your concern and reply.  I have erased the email but think this may be the appropriate ID number support Req 143 8363.

Thanks again,

Joe Jasper

Derek Austin wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-18-2009 3:48 PM

Joe,

Re> I have erased the email but think this may be the appropriate ID number support Req 143 8363

Support tell me that they did respond to your enquiry via email at the time. They've re-opened the case and will be in touch.

Best regards,

Derek

Joseph Jasper wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-18-2009 10:01 PM

Thanks, Derek.  The lack of response to an incident is a concern others have expressed.  Support for the best product, particularly for the professional series should be prompt and thorough.

Joe

Joseph Jasper wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-20-2009 8:54 PM

I re-read your posting stating they DID respond, yet I don't have an indication they did.  I still have not heard from them.  I'm wondering if I shouuld uninstall and start over.  Ugh.  I have a few macros and a user file or two (direct mic USB and another for digital recorder).  I would use my original discs, not the updates and refuse updates from Nuance.  Does that make sense?

Derek Austin wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-23-2009 4:25 AM

Hi Joe,

Re> I re-read your posting stating they DID respond, yet I don't have an indication they did.  I still have not heard from them.

Apologies. Could you send me your contact details via email and I'll chase up what's going on?

Thanks,

Derek

Marty Markoe wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 03-24-2009 9:17 AM

www.healthtechwire.com/The-Industry-s-News-unb.146+M5f63167172b.0.html

CLICK ABOVE LINK to read the annoucement by Philips that SpeechMikes will be shipped with new software that will have built in commands for Dragon NaturallySpeaking. "Commands can also be configured for use with other programs. For example, PowerPoint presentations can be controlled effortlessly using the SpeechMike."

The article also states the new software is downloadable free for current users with the latest generation of SpeechMikes. I looked but could not find it. I sent a message to our Philips representative and will post back when the software becomes available.

Marty Markoe, eMicrophones, Inc.

Arthur Bilek wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 05-18-2009 12:22 AM

I live in Evanston, Illinois. I am seeking a person in this area who knows Naturally Speaking to visit my home and coach me in getting started with this software.

I need to use Dragon very much but do not have the slightess idea what to do. I have Dragon running on my PC but have never used it.

Can someone help me? Thank you.

Art

dragonstories2010 wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 05-18-2009 4:51 PM

Hi Arthur -

Feel free to contact Barry Walters at barry.walters@nuance.com for a recommendation for one of our partners who can help you.

Peter

All2009Stories wrote re: Talk to the Dot!
on 05-20-2009 11:04 PM

Many years ago I started with discrete utterance voice recognition. As I recall the cost was $5,000.00. I ran it in DOS along with Word Perfect and a voice output program so that handicapped students could hear in a synthesized computer voice, what the software put onto the computer screen as they dictated. With two patch programs we had the five programs all running concurrently . . . Each time a new version came out I wrote a grant to get the upgrade for the students. At that time there was no limit on how many students might use a computer with the software installed. The limit was the number of computers allowed. (1). We even passed through the period of joint effort when Dragon Systems worked directly with Microsoft to develop product enhancements. I remember when the price came down to $3,000. What a marvelous thing! Upgrades back in those days were simple with no "key" to worry about. I'm not suggesting that we go back to DOS, but after reading of the woes of loading new versions, perhaps there is a better way. I hope to hear of an improvement. Then I will upgrade again.

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