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What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?

This question is -- by far -- the most frequent one that we are asked these days. Why doesn't Dragon support Windows Vista 64? There has been a lot of chatter about this topic in blog postings all across the Web. I have heard a pretty broad range of comments, but the general sentiment usually falls into one of the following categories:

1) "Wow, these guys must be really stupid..."

2) "It's really easy to support Vista 64, why don't they just do it?"

3) "Dragon doesn't work on Windows Vista"

4) "It is some kind of evil conspiracy to withhold this capability from us"

That last one is my personal favorite. The bottom line is that there is quite a bit of misinformation out there about Dragon support for Vista 64, so I would like to take the opportunity to set the record straight. I can't promise a very interesting story, but at least it will be accurate.

From the very early planning stages, we had identified support for Vista 64 as a critical requirement for Dragon 10. At the time, most experts who track the adoption of operating systems predicted that only a very small percentage of new computers would ship with Vista 64 at the time the Dragon 10 was launched. Nevertheless, we know that many Dragon users are early adopters of technology, so we decided that it was an important thing to do. As we scoped out the effort to support Vista 64, it was clear that it would be a significant effort -- unlike many other Windows software products. Dragon has some special complications because it is so deeply integrated with the operating system and with the user interface layer of other programs. In fact, those other programs turned out to be the trickiest part of 64-bit support.

As we got closer to the end of the development period, it became clear that the way Dragon was integrating with other programs in Vista 64 was causing some instability. We had to make a choice. We could either delay the entire Dragon 10 release, ship the 64-bit support with some instability, or defer the support of 64-bit Vista until the first point release. In the end, we made the decision to defer the 64-bit Vista support until our first point release. We made this decision based on the best information we had about the projected adoption of Vista 64 operating systems among our user base. It turns out that the experts who project consumer technology adoption were pretty severely mistaken with their numbers. Instead of a very small single-digit percentage of new systems, Vista 64 now ships on almost 1/3 of all new computers at some retailers. It turns out that one of the features that 64-bit Vista offers consumers is the ability to support larger amounts of memory -- and this was very attractive to consumers. For business users, it is a very different story. Most medium and large businesses are still using Windows XP because they are IT organizations and other systems do not yet support Windows Vista. But consumers and small businesses have adopted Vista and Windows Vista 64 much more rapidly than larger companies.

So that's how we got where we are right now. I'm sorry that that probably doesn't satisfy the conspiracy theorists.

The good news is that we are very close to releasing our support for Vista 64. We are in the testing phase right now and expect to release this capability sometime in the second quarter of 2009. (Please note that I wrote "expect to release..." just in case there was some unforeseen problem with the release that is found in testing.)

Peter


Posted 02-01-2009 12:52 PM by Peter Mahoney
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Richard wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-30-2009 11:08 AM

Thanks very much Peter!  I will give it a try!  

I've been using DNS since version 3 and love it!  I've missed it since we upgraded to these new XP Pro x64 workstations...

I will keep my fingers crossed and will let you know how it goes.

Thanks,

Richard

Peter Mahoney wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-30-2009 10:57 AM

Hi Richard,

Sorry I didn't respond to this before. Dragon 10.1 supports only Windows Vista 64, not Windows XP 64. However, we did some testing on Windows XP 64 and it appeared to work correctly. We cannot support the configuration, but I suspect that it will operate in that operating system environment.

Peter

Richard wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-30-2009 10:29 AM

Peter,

I still do not see an answer to my question from 3/13 and re-post on 3/19.  I'm sure you are busy, but could you please post a quick reply to my question:  

Q: Will 10.1 support Windows XP Pro x64 as well?

I understand if Nuance has decided not to support XP Pro x64, but I would appreciate knowing either way.

Thanks Much,

Richard

100flyfast@gmail.com wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-25-2009 5:30 PM

Please send me an e mail when the version 10 work-around for the vista 64 bit.  I will be excited when it is available. Bob

Peter Mahoney wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-23-2009 2:42 PM

Hi Mr. Thau -

We are testing the download site for 10.1 Preferred and Standard English right now.

You asked about legal - I address that in my Q&A with the following:

Q. Which editions of Dragon will be released first?

A. Dragon Standard, Preferred and Professional Version 10.1 will be released by the end of March in English. Other editions (including Medical and Legal) and additional languages will be released over the next few months. Please check back here for additional detail.

Dragon Legal for English is currently scheduled to be available by the end of April or early May.

Peter

Roland Thau wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-23-2009 2:26 PM

Mr. Mahoney,

Peter Mahoney wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-20-2009 5:06 PM

Mr. Thau -

The requirements include supported operating systems and it lists all the operating systems that we support, and does not currently list 64-bit Vista.  It will on Monday or Tuesday when we update the website for 10.1 compatibility specifications.

Peter

Roland Thau wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-20-2009 4:48 PM

Will Nuance EVER learn???

Here is part of its promotional blurb for Dragon, downloaded from its website today, after all the complaints that it failed to disclose that it didn't work with 64 bit.

"Minimum Specifications

   * CPU: Intel® Pentium® / 1 GHz processor or equivalent AMD processor. Faster processors will yield faster performance

   * Memory: 512 MB RAM (1 GB RAM for Windows Vista™)

   * Free hard disk space: 1 GB (2 GB for FIGSD Localized Editions)

   * L2 Cache: 512 KB

   * Supported Operating Systems:

         o Windows Server 2000

         o Windows Server 2003

         o Win XP SP2 or higher - 32 bit - Home & Prof

         o Win 2000 SP4 or higher

         o Windows Vista™ or Windows Vista™ SP1, 32-bit (all 4 editions)

   * DVD-ROM drive (required for installation)

   * Microsoft® Internet Explorer 6 or higher (free download available at www.microsoft.com)

   * Nuance-approved noise-canceling headset microphone (included)

   * For Bluetooth wireless microphone support, please visit support.nuance.com/compatibility

   * Creative® Labs Sound Blaster® 16 or equivalent sound card supporting 16-bit recording

   * A web connection is required for activation

   * Preferred, Professional, and Legal Editions: Speakers (required for playback of recorded speech and text to speech features)"

NOTE that this is "MINIMUM Specifications" (emphasis added). In common parlance, "minimum specifications" means "at least"; thus, the purchaser is misled into believing that 32-bit at least is required and that 64-bit will also work.

Once again, the 64-bit problem remains undisclosed!

What's with these guys?

Richard wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-19-2009 12:54 PM

Peter,

I apologize it you answered this, but I can't find an answer above to my question from 3/13:

Q: Will 10.1 support Windows XP Pro x64 as well?

I understand if Nuance has decided not to support XP Pro x64, but I would appreciate knowing either way.

Thanks Much,

Richard

Roland Thau wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-18-2009 6:39 PM

Mr. Mahoney's full response to my severe detailed 3/17/09 criticism of Nuance's false and misleading merchandise practices reads as follows: "Mr. Thau clearly has some issues with us...but he is entitled to his opinion."

In addressing my detailed accusation in that fashion, without either admitting or refuting my factual recital, Nuance may be deemed to admit the truth of what I assert. I hadn't given a mere "opinion" as Mr. Mahoney suggests, I had given "facts". Nuance might have admitted the truth a forthright manner and apologized for its "unfortunate" conduct.  Instead, it admitted itby failing to refute the claims and did not apologize as it should have.  All this is very sad.

Roland Thau wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-18-2009 6:13 PM

In his response to my 3/17/09 severe detailed criticism of Nuance's DNS 10 false promotional and sales practices, Mr. Mahoney writes "Mr. Thau clearly has some issues with us...but he is entitled to his opinion."

Misty wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-17-2009 10:23 PM

So Peter, when I said dragon 10 for myself for school earlier in the discussion cause I will be starting school in June and will be getting a new computer.  I was talking about Dragon 10 MEDICAL... If I read right the update about 64-bit it says medical in a few months? :(

Frank wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-17-2009 4:07 PM

OK everybody's right and everybody's wrong, let's just get the version we need on the market to the deserving customers, hope, it works well and take it from there.

Peter Mahoney wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-17-2009 2:44 PM

Mr. Thau clearly has some issues with us...but he is entitled to his opinion.

As far as the NY Times goes, Mr. Pogue did not create a promotional video for us.  He reviewed the software and liked it.  We posted his positive review on our website.

Roland Thau wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-17-2009 2:25 PM

Frank,

While it is so, as you point out, that  "if you read the fine print on the box there is an exclusion for 64 bit", this warning should be in LARGE, rather than fine print.  The best proof of this is that you didn't notice it yourself until you after you bought the program.

More to the point of Nuances deceptive promotional practices, it continued to advertise and sell the product without the fine print warning now on the box.  It earlier boxes didn't have the warning at all and its email and postal mailings continued to claim that the software was suitable for all modern computers.  And it did so knowing that this claim was false even after I personally and in writing complained to Nuance about its deceptive advertising which resulted in defrauding the consumers who have bought the product, relying on Nuance's false advertising.

A related troubling issue is that David Pogue, the New York Times columnist specializing in covering software, reviewed Dragon 10 very favorably and in fact recorded one of Dragon's promotional videos, has never to date as far as I can tell, published anything about Nuance's falsity, even though I have pointed this out to him and asked him to write about it.

Roland Thau

Frank wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-16-2009 11:42 AM

Sorry Freedom but if you read the fine print on the box there is an exclusion for 64 bit (albeit I also didnot notice til after purchase) but just the same it is their.

sorry

FreedomFighter wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-14-2009 12:04 AM

I too bought Dragon based on it's statement that it supported Windows Vista - there was no specific exclusion noted at the time that only Vista 32 was supported.  I have a lot of 32-bit programs running on my Vista-64 machine.  I tried all the various Nuance fixes to get it to load, even suggestions from the Internet---none of which worked!

Frankly, I think Naunce's advertising consistutes fraudulant advertising, and if not that, certainly the poorest customer service I've ever seen.

The upgrade better be free, or they are going to be facing a class action suite!

Misty wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-13-2009 10:46 PM

Peter, Thank You so much!!! That really eases my concern! I will have a techie, in home evaluation done and when the guy comes I will have to explain to him about this.  So now I can tell him it should be ok to go ahead and buy a 64-bit computer.  This really opens the door for me on what I can get now.  :)

Luther Smith wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-13-2009 6:02 PM

Vista 64-bit home edition Voice Recognition System does work very well.  When I got trapped with the DNS incompatibility, it was my only recourse.  It's clearly a leaner product with fewer bells and whistles, but at least I can get my work done.  When 10.1 comes out, I'll have a significant decision to make whether to buy DNS version 10.

Richard wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-13-2009 11:30 AM

Will 10.1 support Windows XP Pro x64 as well?

Roland Thau wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-13-2009 11:21 AM

Nuance's fraudulent promotion of Dragon 10 as compatible with ALL modern computers even after my pointing out to it in writing that this was not so since it doesn't work with 64bit should be investigated by the federal authorities for possible mail fraud and wire fraud since consumers (me included) have been misled into buying its expensive (10 legal edition) product without an apology, refund or update.

NMdn wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-10-2009 8:58 PM

Hi Peter:

You did not mention Dragon 10 Medical.  Is that also going to take several weeks?  You must realize that the delay in this release did not bode well with many of your customers.  Microsoft seriously appears to have its sights set on speech recognition.  It is good to see some competition and other options on the horizon.

Speaking About Dragon wrote As a Quick Update on Dragon for Vista 64
on 03-10-2009 1:59 PM

As I suspected, there has been an amazing amount of interest from this community about support for Dragon

Peter Mahoney wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-09-2009 10:49 PM

Hi NMdn -

We will release 10.1 for all editions over the next several weeks.  Standard, Preferred and Professional will all be available in the next couple weeks - Legal will be available a few weeks later.

Peter

typhoon_lee@hotmail.com wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-09-2009 9:25 PM

So the answer is #1, Nuance scoffed and said in 2003 when development on 64-bit operating systems were announced that nobody really uses them and to just plow ahead and ignore them.  In 2005 when XP 64-bit came out, they just continued to ignore it.  Then when Vista 64-bit was announced, they continued to ignore it.  Then when Vista 64-bit came out, they did nothing for a year until they realized, "Wait, Vista Business has voice activation, it's better than ours, we better get our crap together and hurry up!!  Who knew this would sneak up on us so quickly!!!!"   Vista Business has better voice recognition, the tutorials are quicker, and the learning curve is much less.  I was forced to use this because DNS wouldn't pull their heads out.  And I'm glad I did.  For anyone that wants to get good voice recognition,  just opt a few bucks more and get Vista Business instead of home.  The price is cheaper than any DNS product and it learns your voice much quicker.  Promises promises. "In a few weeks, months years, etc."  Mostly every single 32-bit program works flawlessly in Vista, what are the chances the admittedly buggy DNS is going to work flawlessly?

Vista Business/Ultimate FTW!

NMdn wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-09-2009 8:33 PM

That is great new Peter. Will there be a downloadable version for registered users?  Which editions are going to be available?

Thanks!

Peter Mahoney wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-09-2009 4:43 PM

Hi Misty,

Good news -- Dragon 10.1 with Vista 64 support will be available in the next couple weeks.

Peter

misty o'neal wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-09-2009 4:38 PM

I am in a pickle about this also... I am starting medical transcription school in June and am disabled.  Vocational rehab will be buying me a new computer and the DNS 10, I worked for Dell computers for 3yrs until recently quit to go to school.  There is very few computers I can get that are 32-bit.  Then if I buy one of those, will be limited as I would prefer a 64-bit to allow for more RAM and speed.  But I cannot get 64-bit cause I will need to buy DNS 10.  Do you think they may have the 64-bit version out by June?

Peter Mahoney wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-07-2009 1:07 PM

Dragon 8 will not work with Vista 64.  You will need to upgrade to Dragon 10.1 to get it to install on Vista 64.

Peter

Omega Man wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-07-2009 11:01 AM

Will version 8 work on Vista 64?

Peter Mahoney wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-04-2009 9:36 PM

Hi -

You can register your product without installing it.  To register, just visit:

https://register.scansoft.com/

Registered users will be eligible for a free upgrade to Dragon 10.1 with Vista 64 support.

I hope that helps

Peter

stuckwith64bits wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-04-2009 9:12 PM

How will I get the free upgrade if I can't install or register my DNS 10 copy? I wish I would have known before I  purchased. The retailer won't take it back and I'm out $$ without a working program.

Sarah Meacham wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-04-2009 9:09 PM

How can I get the upgrade if I can't install and register my copy of DNS 10?

Peter Mahoney wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-02-2009 4:19 PM

Hi Frank -

You will be able to get a free upgrade to the 64-bit Vista version (called 10.1).  If you are registered, you will get a message when the update is available and you will be able to download it.

Peter

frank wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-02-2009 4:07 PM

Just purchased DNS 10 not knowing it isn't 64bit compatabile.Should I return it or will there be a patch or driver for 64 bit.Already have versions 7 and 8 and being disabled find it hard to live without it.

Thanks

Frank wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 03-02-2009 3:40 PM

Sounds like great news. Can't live without DNS,I have versions 7,8 and just purchased 10 not knowing it was not 64bit compatible.Question? Do I need to return my copy of DNS10 or will there just be a patch or driver.

Peter Mahoney wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 02-27-2009 6:43 PM

We are currently testing on both 32-bit and 64-bit Windows 7. We won't announce support at this point because it is still in beta. I'll post info here when we have complete results testing Dragon on Windows 7.

Peter

RickyResQ wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 02-27-2009 5:43 PM

Just in time for Windows 7!

Peter Mahoney wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 02-27-2009 3:03 PM

Hi -

if you are currently receiving e-mail updates from Nuance about Dragon, you will get a notification about the availability of Dragon for Vista 64. I will also post an update on this blog, so if you subscribe to the RSS feed, you will also hear about the availability.

It is also important to note that Dragon works on Vista 32 today.

Thank you for your interest.

Peter

uGenie wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 02-27-2009 2:57 PM

Will we need to keep checking or will a update be sent out to us who are waiting breathlessly for the release update?

ldituri wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 02-25-2009 8:26 PM

A 64-bit driver is great news. I've become so accustomed to using the software that I wanted to buy a copy for my laptop. However, I discovered it did not work in 64-bit versions of Vista so I was unable to install the product. I purchased a copy for my daughter at Christmas and her laptop did not not have the proper CPU support. So we decided to get her new laptop and found it to be very difficult to find a laptop with Vista 32-bit. We eventually did find a Sony with  32 and we install the software successfully. So needless to say I'll be glad to purchase another copy for my laptop when the new driver is available. I'm hoping this is sooner rather than later.

Peter Mahoney wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 02-23-2009 1:29 PM

Dragon 10 for Vista 64 will be available within a couple months.  While it was possible to use earlier versions of Dragon on Vista 64, we don't recommend (or support) that configuration because of known incompatibilities.

shiralee wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 02-23-2009 5:12 AM

what is the eta on the 64bit DNS10????

shiralee wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 02-23-2009 5:11 AM

OK I understand Dragon 10 is not compatible with Vista 64 bit BUT is another older verision compatible at least in a limited fashion. Are there arrangements for person who have pruchased DNS 10 to acquire an older compatible verision until the new DNS 10 is available?

By the way DNS 10 is a nice program but very slow on an XP Machine.

NMdn wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 02-22-2009 11:37 PM

... and how much later would Dragon Medical 10 for Vista 64 follow?  Given the size of the program, a physical medium will likely be needed by most customers.  I admit that I simply expected that Dragon Medical would support Vista 64 when I upgraded.

stevember wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 02-22-2009 4:52 PM

Really nice to hear it from you guys, I hope it very soon.

Please update us often thats all we ask.

Peter Mahoney wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 02-22-2009 11:33 AM

The current version of Dragon (version 10.0) won't install on Vista 64.  A new release with 64-bit support is in testing now and will be available soon.

Jano wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 02-22-2009 11:21 AM

I've found a trouble trying to install Dragon 10 about incompatibility with 64 bit OS... then, we need to wait the releasing of support for Vista 64 sooner?

Peter Mahoney wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 02-20-2009 4:53 PM

We had a ton of requests to participate in the beta program, and it is currently closed.  We had to limit the number of beta participants so we could provide the right kind of support.  If you are a Nuance partner, you can contact your partner manager for information about the beta release for partners.

Thanks!

Peter

GSnyder wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 02-20-2009 4:45 PM

I have been waiting for this release with bated breath ever since the original version 10 came out and could not be easily tricked into running on Vista 64-bit (as version 9 could). Are you seeking additional beta testers, and if so, how would one apply?

Peter Mahoney wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 02-20-2009 4:38 PM

I'm glad you are looking forward to it!  We have been doing extensive testing on this release to make sure that it meets our customers' quality expectations.

Peter

edsager wrote re: What's the Deal with Dragon for Vista 64?
on 02-20-2009 2:15 PM

Finally!  Yea!  I have been waiting for this since 2006.  I am glad Nuance decided to wait until DNS was not so buggy for the release and I am very glad that it is a point release.

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